Why I think that days of the Doctor are over.
I am definitely the last person you’d hear that I don’t like Doctor Who. I love it with all my heart. I started watching the show few years ago when by accident I saw my childhood idol Billie…
1. i am not sexist as i am a girl and i love when female characters are the strong ones.
2. i love steven moffat.
so sorry to break your bubblem but you’re wrong about me.
Except when it’s Clara.
Except if it’s someone else no matter if they’re aliens, humans, boys or girls or shemales or whatever. Doctor is the title and main character of the show.
Like I said - I’d be writing this even if it was Amy or Rose - both my all time favourite companions. Too much is not healthy so right now Doctor should do his thing and Clara should be who she is - a companion.
The show has literally always been about the companions though.
Like, I don’t think there’s ever been a time that wasn’t true.
Also, in case you aren’t aware, “shemale” is considered transphobic and offensive.
Just so you know.
The show has literally always been about the companions though.
That’s the one thing I’m gonna take issue with here.
The show HAS BEEN about the companions. It literally STARTED as a series about the companions—honestly, Ian and Barbara were our first heroes, and the Doctor was very much a SUPPORTING character. The classic series also ENDED largely about the companion, with the amount of focus Cartmel and his cohorts put on Ace.
But to say it’s ALWAYS been about the companion is, IMHO, incorrect. You can’t really say Season 15 was a show about Leela, for example—and I say that as someone who ADORES Leela. You can’t say Davison era was a show about Tegan—especially not after “Arc of Infinity”. You could make a thin case that it was about an alien exiled to an English boy’s school for about three serials, but not much more than that before the writers started mislaying him.
In no sense are the stretch of serials between “Terror of the Vervoids” and “Dragonfire” about Melanie Bush, quite possibly the single least developed companion on screen in the program’s history.
You can certainly make the case that the show works best when the companion is a central focus—I LOVE seasons 1 and 2, and I will go to my grave arguing that, whatever faults they had in other realms, the last two seasons of the original run are the best written stretch in the whole of classic WHO.
But it hasn’t ALWAYS been about the companions.
I do not deny that companions aren’t important or that the show was / is about companions.
Even in the new Who we had Rose who had the entire epiosde about her. Or Donna. Or Amy and Rory. But they never took over the episodes.
I mean without companions there wouldn’t be Doctor as we learned from “Turn left”. But you know, even if in the classic Who we had companions being the centre of the show it was always about Doctor. I mean he was the alpha and omega and he was the one who was giving the advices and they were basically follow his guidelines. Well most of the time.
But leave the classic Who as most of the fans never saw it.
The new edition showed us different form. The companions had their own minds and they were doing whatever they wanted, but with Clara it’s the first time when companion is the most important thing in the whole whoverse. Doctor is just somewhere helping a little and that’s it.
Donna was the most important person in the universe and still she wasn’t doing stuff on her own for the entire episode.
This is my point.
Ummmmm… wow. I’m going to do something I never thought I’d do—positively invoke “The Last of the Time Lords”.
Because Martha? :-)
Martha was the girl who walked the Earth and Donna was called by the Doctor himself the most important.
I didn’t say that Martha wasn’t important. All the companions were important. I just called the things as it was said in the show. Not taking away anyone’s acomplishments
Well, no. I’m not taking offense at the description of Donna’s importance.
I’m pointing out that Martha spent an entire year “walking the Earth”, spreading the story of the Doctor, and basically being the one to lay ALL the groundwork for the saving of the world, before Ten is restored… in fact, not unlike the way the TARDIS is restored for Twelve to emerge at the end for his “Since you’re determined to play that role, I must play mine” speech—only Clara had to spend maybe a couple of hours doing so in-universe time, as opposed to Martha’s 365 or so days. :-)
I’m just having trouble getting my head around the original complaint that too much focus is being placed on Clara and not enough on the Doctor; that Clara is being treated as too important and the Doctor is just along for the ride; that Clara is the main character, and the Doctor is just hanging in the background.
Let’s take it as a given that this complaint is absolutely correct; that we can codify all of the Series 8 episodes, compare them to every previous episode, and quantify it all to the point where we can definitively say “yes, this is the first time in ‘Doctor Who’ where the companion is being treated more like the main character than at any other time in the show’s history, and that the Doctor is being side-lined more than ever.”
Noted, accepted (at least hypothetically), but I fail to see how this could remotely be seen as a flaw. ‘Doctor Who’ changes. That’s what it does. That’s what keeps it fresh. The fact that it’s a show that can change its format and formula and still be ‘Doctor Who’ is one of the many things we watch it for. It’s why the show could still conceivably be around for another 50 years. I could go into a big, romanticized rant about this, but I feel like this is a point that most ‘Doctor Who’ fans have figured out by now.
But I’m not even sure that the complaint is something that can be taken as a given. Sure, I’d argue that, maybe, this series has been more about how travelling with the Doctor effects the life of the companion, but to say that the Doctor is now just a background character is surely overstating (or flat out misrepresenting) what’s going on. If he is just hanging out in the background, how is he having such an impact on Clara, and how is he being such an active participant in the stories this series?
And this series is full of the Doctor being the hero.
Deep Breath: The Doctor manipulates the Clockwork Half-Faced Robot into revealing important information. He later defeats all the Clockwork Robots.
Into the Dalek: The Doctor saves Journey Blue. The Doctor concocts a plan to make the “good Dalek” good again and pulls it (albeit not exactly according to plan).
Robot of Sherwood: The Doctor duels Robin Hood, wins an archery contest, defeats the robot guards, rescues the prisoners, and reunites Marian and Robin.
Listen: The Doctor instigates the entire plot, and is hugely influential on young Danny Pink.
Time Heist: The Doctor plans the entire heist, all to rescue a pair of prisoners.
The Caretaker: The Doctor saves the world from a killer robot.
Kill the Moon: The Doctor glowingly basks in the triumph of humanity.
Mummy on the Orient Express: The Doctor transfers the Mummy’s attack to himself and manages to figure out how to defeat it.
Flatline: The Doctor finally gets his “I am the Doctor!” moment and sends the monsters back from where they came.
So, has the companion/Doctor balance shifted? Maybe a bit. Is the Doctor now in the background while Clara gets to be the smart one, the brave one, the heroic one, the one that actually gets things done? Hardly.
As for Clara “being the Doctor,” all the ‘New Who’ companions had their moment of “being the Doctor.” Just because Clara’s moment was actually voiced as her “being the Doctor” doesn’t make it any more important or note-worthy than Rose as Bad Wolf doing the Doctor’s job and defeating the Daleks, or Martha having to be the brave hero in the Doctor’s place during the year she walked the Earth, or Donna literally becoming the Doctor/Donna…
Honestly, this whole complaint feels very similar to the ‘Classic Who’ fans in 2005 complaining that ‘New Who’ was “getting it wrong” because the show was about the companion instead of the Doctor.
I get your point. But as you said at the very end - the show started to be about Doctor Who and now we have the opposite.
Of course that Rose was the Bad Wolf and stuff but she was Bad Wolf in one episode and she obviously saved the Doctor, well she saved him in the “Rose” as well, but it was just some single thing. 90% of the episode it was about Doctor. Now we have 90% episode about Clara.
This is my point.
Because seeing Capaldi as the Doctor was the great thing ever. And now I see him in the background.
Or maybe it is about me disliking Clara. Well who knows.
But the thing about ‘New Who’ is that it didn’t start off being about the Doctor. It started off being about Rose.
'Classic Who' didn't start off being about the Doctor. It started off being about Ian and Barbara. The show was largely about them dealing with this odd, cranky old man and the adventures he dragged them off to. If anything, this Clara/Twelve dynamic is a return to the roots of the show, both 'Classic' and 'New,' not an abandonment of what the show is “supposed” to be.
Well yes. It didn’t start with Doctor. Rose had one whole episode about her. But later it turned out to be about Doctor.
I’m tired of discussing this over and over again. I liked the balance between Docotr and his companion. Now the balance is ruined.
In Classic Who we obviously had part of the episode about companion and part about the Doctor. The same was with the new Who. And obviously there were always episodes when companion was taking over some parts for Doctor. This is why every superhero need his sidekick to get help when he is not able to do this. But by the end of the day sidekick is just a sidekick.
I like the balance and that’s it.